"Aliens are dangerous" Part 2.

Dr. Hawking's statement "Aliens are dangerous" is a valid statement and basis of an argument upon the existence of space faring intelligent alien life that has developed technology throughout the course of their evolutionary existence.

Not only is the statement valid, but it is also rational. Paraphasing "to my mathematical mind a discussion is logical" on the existence of aliens somewhere in the galaxy or the larger universe, because he is considering the plausibility of aliens that have progressed along a technological route of their society to become a space faring society. Furthermore, it is rational to consider their existence based entirely upon our own existence and current state of technology that has allowed humanity to travel beyond our home world to our neighboring Moon and our exploration of the planets in our solar system.

Yet, it is irrational because humans do not really have a definitive example of an Alien species from another world or solar system; all that humanity has is a preconceptual idea of what an Alien might physically be like. Unknowingly, humanity is trying to describe and define the proverbial Elephant all the while blind to the unknown existence based on the plausibility.

Therefore, to express the idea and promote the concept that "Aliens are dangerous" without fully knowing if Aliens are dangerous, as some may not be, is thus an irrational fear based upon unknowns.

Yet, there is more to Dr. Hawking's statement and that would include humans and our very essences of further evolutionary development beyond the Earth. What if "We" become the "Aliens"?

If a group of humans colonist decide to move to Mars in the later half of the 21st Century and exist for 50,000 or 200,000 years genetically separated from Earth; the plausibility of evolutionary changes to the genetic sequences might thus give rise to a new species of humans. Hence, they would become Aliens. His argument that the Aliens are aggressive with their technology use, is even valid given that humans have aggression and our entire prehistory and history is full of wars and destruction.

Oftentimes, within a simple statement there is rationality and irrationality that occurs. It is often surrounded by valid and validity arguments and debates.

Is he actually referring to the plausibility of and the existence of extraterrestial aliens, or is he foreshadowing the future evolution of humans in extraterrestial environments and what they would be capable of if they were to discover a primitative society that is just beginning to develop their own space technologies?

Even the psyops discussion takes one into the shadow lands of the unknowns and paranormal.

Our species has existed for 200,000 years without the discovery of an extraterrestial alien species. Although one could equally argue that humanity has discovered terrestial alien species as they moved out of Africa into the various climates and ecological regions of the world, to the demise of various other species. However, only one or two actually poised a potential threat to their existence: H. neanderthalus and H. florensis, both of which are now extinct. Our species could exist for 200,000 to 500,000 more years without ever contacting or having a "First Contact" with an extraterrestial species or a message from some extraterrestial species could be discovered tomorrow.

However, Dr. Hawking has stated "Aliens are dangerous" and the implied meaning is they are a potential threat whether they exist or not. In our fears we progress from the unknown to the known then to a new relm of the unknown.

So Aliens are "dangerous".....

British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking indicates "aliens are out there, but it could be too dangerous for humans to interact with" according to Yahoo News article from the Associated Press.

Well, he is probably right and does make compelling arguments for his statements regarding the aspects of intelligent alien species existing somewhere in the Galaxy or even in the Universe.

However, the comparison to Alien visitors being like Christopher Columbus in the New World, and humans being the open minded trusting Sun-God worshiping natives, I have to disagree with you there Dr. Hawking. This is a complimentary disagreement because of your respected level of knowledge and wisdom upon the Universe and unique aspects thereof. However, the stance that Aliens existing as some advance mythos of tribal Alien Warlords gallivanting through the cosmos ravaging rocky terestial planets for various resources including food, is a reflection of humans barbaric existence for our own recorded history.

Granted, if they have developed the technology and survived the E=MC^2 atomic stage of development to become a space traveling society or even space traveling nomad society, they would still have far advance knowledge on their computer systems and a wealth of knowledge of species that they probably were responsible for their own extinction.

They, as a species, probably came to value the uniqueness of life when they encounter life forms in other solar systems that they travel too. If they are capable of building large nearly planetary size ships, to support their "exploration" of the galaxy, then they would have advance knowledge of terraforming planets.

Yet, isn't it humans that project the aspects of the Evil Aliens traversing the Galaxy? Nearly every movie version that has aspects of dealing with "aliens" presents them in a negative light of destroying the Earth and consuming the human population as if humans were nothing more than cows or pigs, to be slaughtered and butchered by the Aliens for their food resources. So the argument stands, our very movies perpetuates this mythology because they have advance technology, we only have computer virus that destroys the great mothership in the movie "Independence Day" and humans only have bullets to fight the alien in "Alien".

Awe, our primitive human cognitive post chimpanzee screams and squeals in anger and aggression at some black monolith in Space 2010.

Maybe, and this is a matter of opinion for we have our conjecture of beliefs, they are more civilized and advance than we mear humans can only dream of in 200,000 years.

What if they were to build planetary starship the size of Mars or Earth, traveling the dark reaches between the stars for thousands of years. Each generation being instructed and schooled in concepts of nanotechnology, genetics and planetary engineering. Generation after generation learning via repetitive simulations on a variety of planets and the potential of finding a terrestial planet, such as Earth, where life is unique and diverse with various species. What if they have in their computer systems simulations of rocky worlds; Mars and Venus, or ice worlds such as Europa and Sedna? Or the gas giant planets of Saturn, Neptune and Jupiter?

Instead of the Aliens that you envision, what about a species of Aliens that would arrive on a planetary starship then survey the various planets for potential life and potential areas for establishing a colony via terraforming a world such as Venus. If they are capable of traveling 20 or 1000 light years from their home world, then surely they have the capabilities of building a space elevator that can transport water from Jupiter's moon Europa to a planet the size of Venus or Mars.

Europa, has the equivalent of twice the water of Earth. What if an advance Alien species could transport some of that water over to Venus, establish a hydrosphere, guide a few asteroids for impact to break up the crust of Venus in some areas to establish plate tectonics, seed the planet with various flora and fauna species of their distant homeworld.

Why not have an Alien species that would just observe Earth at a close distance, with their presence known. Yet, if a space ship the size of a planet were to magically arrive in this solar system and occupy the region between Mars and Jupiter, and then collectively as humanity were to start observing a magical transformation of Venus into an Earthlike planet. Or a species that is intelligent just being a neighbor to a species that just started to crawl and no longer is needing the cradle?

We, in our current existance, would worship them as Gods! Because they would mean us no harm. And we could go on about our daily lives without the fear that is so common to the descendants of "The Naked Ape". Aggression is part of the genetic coding of the hominid groups, extinct or extant. Maybe it is the fear that our human species will evolve with the continue aggression that have existed in the history of our species.

Yet, why should aggression be part of a species of Aliens that are capable of interplanetary and travel between the various supporting star systems that reside within the Milky Way?


Dangerous Aliens and the mythos of tribal Amazonians from Atlantis, sells and develops scripts for multi-million dollar movies. Because it is full of blood, guts, weapons of mass destruction, human extinction. It is the basis of slavery, the destruction of millions of bison and the various cultures of a planet all because of the Gold collected in the New World by the Europeans.

Aliens, that have the capabilities to build planetary size star-ships for terraforming rocky worlds that are geological unwelcoming to humans, i.e., Venus....wouldn't even be of interest.

What humanity can agree upon is very simple: whatever Aliens are, they are not primates. Yet, we have not met any in our existence as a species, so we go into the future fearful because of our own myths that prevail. If we do, and at some point probably will, encounter an alien culture or civilization, it is going to be humans that bring out the nuclear weapons or the harpoons. Just so that humans can hang its head upon our cavern wall.

Aliens that are capable of interstellar and interplanetary travel, if they visited Earth and were to walk inside a muesum or even download our entire internet for a complete analysis of our cultural ideas and concepts probably would be repulsed at the idea of even having various species in zoological parks or as muesum specimens. The would have the wisdom and abilities to create worlds for life to exist.

Just think of the concept: A planetary size spaceship in orbit around Jupiter would destablize the gravity wells of the Jovian moons. The same planetary size spaceship could gravitationally direct a moon the size of Europa or Io for a Venus or Martian impact. They may as well live thousands of years, and our lifetime is measures like we measure that of a fruitfly.

When humans can use their technology to change the geological processes on the neighboring worlds of Venus and Mars to allow them to become habitable, then we will have gained emense knowledge and wisdom because we will apprieciate the uniquiness that is life. Until then we overpopulate our planet and cause the extinction of thousands of species per year.

Dr. Hawking, Aliens are dangerous?

Where are we....

Alien Tourists:

By a stretch of the imagination, it was 15 Billion years ago that an alien species and they had reach the level of intelligent that they could modify subatomic particles. They developed a high level and advance civilization even traveling in time to understand the existence of the known Universe. Unfortunately, their home world was traveling or spiraling into a black hole.

Their political and scientific minds realized that to save their scientific knowledge, they would have to create a Universe within the bridge between the black hole and the white hole. They built a LHC on a planetary scale and uped the power as their world was stretched and spagettified in the greatest event of their civilization.

The're entire planets mass was shrunk down to the size of a pea, thus converted into the precursor of the Big Bang.

13.7 Billion years...in the size of a pixel. Dr. Suess and his book "Horton hears a Who".

Thus, our perception of the Universe, is but just one small pixel point in the greater time-bridge of the multi-verse that exist....thus stretching and spagettifying the cognitive concept. Where are we,....at some point and place in time, but where it is and how it got this way...the sonic screwdriver doesn't know.....is there a box of crayons? I just want to know?

Even the scientific paper and article is somewhat of a bewilderment.

How do they think at that level? Wow.....

Now throw in the concept that everything is a holographic Universe and what we precieve as reality is just a projection...

Whoop Whoop Whoop Whoop! vocalizations occur to mimic the "Three Stooges"!

Even at the metaphysical levels, what was will be, what is up (Heaven) is there really an up universe? Or what is down (Hell) and is there really a down universe and everything that is known or exists in the middle (Earth Centered)?

I want the "Blue Green" Crayon in the box...and the red jellybeans in the Easter Basket.

I'm trying to conceptualize this.....ummm I can't, I have limitations. But atleast, I know that I cannot.

Gastly Green Oorts....Maybe.

In a combined image from the Spitzer Space Telescope and the Chandra X-ray Observatory, Nasa/Jet Propulsion Laboratory published the image to the left. It is the dusty remains of a collapsed star, a supernova G54.1 + 0.3. The Chandra data is in blue and the Spitzer data is shown in green and red-yellow.

"The material ejected in the explosion is now blowing past these stars at high velocities" according to Tea Temim from Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

The data in green is due to the shorter wavelenghts detected by the Spitzer Space Telescope.

"The white source near the center of the image is a dense, rapidly rotating neutron star, or pulsar that was left after a core-collapse supernova explosion."

The original article didn't provide information about the spherical stars that are shown in green or yellow, but one can see a faint greenish sphere surrounding the presumed stars. Even in the image above, there are two yellowish stars to the left of a yellowish star with a spherical halo of dust.

The questions of consideration "Does this image show stellar objects (stars) that are surrounded by a cocoon or analogous Oort Cloud?" If so, then the second question "If these are analogous Oort Clouds around the other stars, then how common are stars that have analogous Oort Cloud structures?

Planetary Evolution.

Eventually, the Earth will loose the hydrogen molecules that forms the watery world that we live upon, in about 3 Billion years the planet will be radically different than it is today. The art of Alfred T. Kamajian, provides a conceptual lens into the dynamics of planetary evolution.

Oort Cloud.

The Oort Cloud extense around our solar system as a sphere that reaches between 1.5 and 2.5 light years away. Where the Earth resides is centered around our Sun, in the blue inner few pixels of the above graph.

Bernards Star, currently over 8 light years away, will skirt the outer regions of the Oort Cloud in 10,000 years. The Solar system will also enter the G-Cloud region in the same time frame. It is unknown if the nearest star system, Proxima Centauri, a red dwarf at 4.2 light years and part of a triple star system Alpha and Beta Centauri at 4.6 light years, has a surrounding cloud or analogus Oort Cloud.

Even Kobe University indicates a planet that is the 80% the size of Earth, in the outer regions of the solar system. The planet is on an inclined orbit.

There is the theoretical "Nemisis" or Sol B, that reside in the Oort Cloud (see below). Now in 1.5 million years, Glieses 710 will enter the Oort Cloud and could lead to modifications within the distribution of comets in the regions that are affected by the gravitation influences of Glieses 710. Try to visualize two or more Oort Clouds, side beside.

The Solar System in 1.5 Million Years

Gliese 710 and the solar system that Earth resides, is on a collision course and the solar system might not be the same ol'e neighborhood in 1.5 Million years.

The Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in St. Petersburg, Russia, with Vadim Bobylev, who has been studying star charts, has found that 9 or more stars have already "swung past the sun or will do so in the future".

Imagine both star systems with Oort Clouds that interact with one another.

He has analyzed data on Gliese 710, using the Hipparcos Catalogue and datasets, and is indicating that Gliese 710 and the solar system will collide in approximately 1.5 million years.

He is indicating there is a 86 percent chance of Gliese 710 coming close enough to the solar system to disrupt the Oort Clound. The star Gliese 710, estimates that the closest approach will happen in 1,360,000 years when the star will approach within 0.337 +- 0.177 pc (1.1 ly) of the Sun.

Since the Oort Cloud within a vast region of space, stretching nearly 3 light years outward, the entry of Gliese 710 at 1.1 light year distance will gravitation disrupt the comets and asteroids of the Oort Cloud. It might even have gravitational effects on Sol B, the pausible 15 Jupiter mass object in the region that is approximately (32,000 x 92,000,000) miles away. Depending upon the orbits and disruptions of the comets, their course can be altered to enter the solar system or exit the solar system. Even so, with long-peroid comets from the Inner Oort Cloud can take thousands of years to reach the inner solar system.

This does raise several questions:

1. Does Gleise 710 have a analogous Oort Cloud, Kepler Belt or even Asteroid Belt?

2. What does this actually mean for life or even human life?

3. What if the comets hit Mars or venus?

First, it could be pausible that Gleise 710 does have comets and asteroids that orbit around it. If this proves to be true, then there should be an exchange of comet material between the two star systems. Even at 1.1 light year distance, it will be a fraction of the distance to the nearest star system, Alpha and Beta Centauri at 4.6 light years and with the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri at 4.2 light years.

What does this actually mean for life or even human life?

Concerning humans, H. sapiens sapiens, have existed for roughly the last 180,000 years as a species. The sibling species, H. neanderthalus, existed for roughly the last 450,000 years and became extince around 28,000 years ago. The prior human species, H. erectus, existed for 1.2 million years and became extinct around 220,000 years ago. It is doubtful that our species will exist in 1.5 million years, but would have evolved into another species considering prior human evolution.

However, if the pygmy chimpanzee follows a simular evolutionary path and thus a form of primate will exist that may look very simular to humans. One cannot say if this would occur, as that species could easily become extinct in the wild within the next 100 years. Even so, if a primate were to evolve then their cognitive abilities may not be advance enough to enjoy the technology that we humans current have. I am thus writing into the dark of the unknow future.

As to life on Earth, assuming that the planet has not be ravage by nuclear war, whatever life forms exist will not actually have an awareness of a close neighboring star in the outer reaches of the solar system. It could gravitationally interact with the Sun and possibly could eventually orbit, depending upon the speed at which it enters or collides with the outer regions of the Oort Cloud. More likely, it will reside on the outer fringes of the solar system for 20 or 50 thousand Earth years, during which comets will gravitation be directed inward towards the planets.

Space is huge, even at 1.1 light year distance, an incomming comet could take thousands or millions of years for its orbit to degrade to where it would be seen from the Earth. So, humanity will either be extinct by 1.5 million years or there might be a planetary impact that would wipe out what life forms exist.

What if a comet were to hit Mars or Venus?

It would be quite an explosion and momentary add water vapor to the Martian or Venusian atmosphere, but it would not create an ocean for the development or process of evolution to occur on those worlds. Both planets would require several thousand comet impact to bring enough water vapor for the creation of an ocean. If there is a analogus Oort Cloud around Gleise 710, then there could well be several thousand comets intersecting within the inner solar system, if that Oort cloud is 1 light year in diameter. Being that Saturn and Jupiter are the largest planets in the solar system, there probably will be several impact events in the Jovian clouds or even on the moons in the outer solar system. So in 1.3 to 1.5 million years, the solar neighborhood is going to be a little different than it current exists.

Just imagine the fireworks and nightsky displays with comets whizzing past the planets.

What it if destablizes the gravity wells that exist around the planets where the moons occupy?

Ref: http://arxiv.org/abs/1003.2160